Stop Hiding and Embrace Bold Visibility – with Katia Vlachos

The time is now episode 319.

One thing about visibility I wish people knew

is that it's not about you.

It's about who you're here to serve, communicate with, connect with, add value.

I think that makes the whole feasibility experience much less daunting or

threatening and much more approachable and, and even fulfilling and rewarding.

Welcome to the Time is now the podcast for mission-driven

solopreneurs ready to take action and go from invisible to in demand.

I am your host, Emel Regi.

My mission is to help you cut through the noise, get crystal clear on

your strategy, and position yourself as the go-to expert in your field.

But this podcast isn't just about marketing, it's also about building your

resilience and staying ahead of the shift.

In our world, so you can be the leader and change maker you truly are.

This is your time to

create more growth, alignment, and impact in your business.

So many solopreneurs struggle with visibility, not because

they don't have something valuable to say, but because showing up as

ourselves can feel really risky.

You might worry about judgment, about saying too much about not fitting to

the image of what people expect from you, but the truth is your message can't

make an impact if you keep it hidden.

So today we're talking about the courage to be yourself, to own your story,

and to embrace visibility as an act of surveys and not just self-promotion.

My guest, Kaia Lajas knows this journey very intimately through her

book, uncaged a Good Girl's Journey to Invention, she opened up about her own

transformation journey and reinvention and the courage it took to divorce

and start her life from scratch.

So Katya is a reinvention coach, speaker, and bestselling author.

She helps accomplished women break free from the invisible rules of

perfection and approval so they can reconnect with their voice, their

worth, and their full potential.

Her work has been featured in The New York Times Financial Times, Harvard

Business Review, Forbes, BBC Radio, and so many international outlets.

Very impressive, and we are here to explore with her what it really takes to

live uncaged, share your truth and step up to the next bold chapter of your life.

Katia, I'm so excited to have you again on the podcast and

welcome to the time is now.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.

It's always a joy.

It's been such an inspiration to watch you

in the past couple years.

You've been on the podcast a few years ago, and since then so much has happened.

You have launched your book, you have shared your truth with the world, and

you have lived even more uncaged to be more visible, to share that world.

In your book Cage, you describe how.

So many women live inside invisible rules of approval of performance

and perfectionism, and I wondered if you could give us a bit of a glimpse

of what did that look like for you?

When did you start noticing?

So I entered the cage very young.

Uh, a lot of us do actually.

So I was four when I started becoming what I call in the book

The Good Greek Girl, when I started.

Noticing there are certain things I needed to do and certain ways I

needed to show up in order to get what I craved, which was approval,

acknowledgement, attention, even love.

Um, and in my case that was, you know, like I said, being good with

a good girl, being self-sacrificing, being accommodating, excelling at

everything, basically checking all the boxes, and, and I did that.

For a big part of my adult life till about my early,

and, and at that point I hit a wall.

I realized, I mean, many things happened, but I realized I, I did not recognize

a person that had become like, I, I was feeling alienated for myself.

I, uh, I didn't actually like myself.

There was a lot of dissonance and I couldn't, like, things

felt off, but I couldn't quite put my finger on what it was.

I was in a marriage where I didn't feel seen, uh, or understood where

I felt like I had to be a certain way because like being fully me,

whatever that was, was not acceptable.

And, and at the end of the day, I realized I had no agency over my life.

Um, that was pretty, uh, scary to realize that I'm.

Losing myself.

Like, if I keep going like this, I'm, I'm gonna lose myself.

Um, and that's when kind of, uh, it was kind of a gradual realization,

but it did peak at the end.

There was some, uh, like a decisive event that were triggering.

Event that happened.

That's

in the book.

In the book.

Exactly.

I'm not gonna reveal that, so I'm not gonna reveal that.

But it's like right at the beginning of the book.

So, um, but, but what happened to me is not, is not unique.

Like, um, it happens a lot in midlife usually, or when there's

something big happening in people's life, like a milestone event.

It can be a death, a divorce, um, um, you know, being an

empty nester, whatever it is.

When people start asking the questions, you know, whose life am I living?

Who am I, do I, you know, do I still feel like myself and, and all these kinds of

questions that I started asking myself.

And that led to.

Uncaging as we call.

You've written such a beautiful book, so we'll talk a

little bit more about it, but you've taken your personal experience and

then your own professional experience as a coach to now help other women.

First of all, I like identify that moment, but also do something about it, and so.

For women who are listening now and who are still torn between pleasing

and being true to themselves.

So what is that first internal step that you usually invite your clients

to take so that they can get engaged?

Hmm.

Very good question.

We are creating a language and I will get, or I often get people who reach out

for co like they're interested in, in working with me and they use the language.

I was like, okay, this is my Cajun, this is this bar and this is the other bar.

And I, you know, this is what my encage would look like.

And I'm like, oh my God, I love this.

'cause, 'cause you know, we've given language to people to, to

articulate certain things that may have been harder to, to do until then.

So that's, that's really fascinating.

Yeah, I love it.

No, but the, the first thing we do, well, there's, there's two things, but I think

the, the most fundamental is, is, uh, is what I will share, is a lot of the women

who come to me like, feel like I did, like, they don't recognize themselves.

Like, um, they've, they've, they've moved so far away from their true essence

that they find it really hard to, to.

You know, to, they feel lost.

They feel stuck.

And, and so the first thing we do is we actually find that person again,

like reconnect with that person.

It may have been, you know, aspects of themselves that they felt they, they

couldn't, they couldn't, um, have a appear in public that they were not

acceptable or, or, you know, they've hidden them, they've forgotten them.

They've, you know, they've neglected them, uh, but the really

important parts of theirs and, you know, they, they miss them.

Women will come and say, oh, I, I, I lost my confidence completely.

I used to be confident and we're like, no, that, that confidence is still there.

That that part of you is still there.

It's just over the years, there's been so much conditioning coming on top

of it, so many shoulds and, and musts and expectations and, and all the, the

rules we feel like we have to follow.

So, wait.

Become somebody else, but we're not really, we're still ourselves.

It's just like, it's like removing the makeup or it's, it's cold outside.

You're wearing all the layers and you come in and, and kind of unpack, right?

And, and that's where we find the core and the essence.

And from that place, everything else becomes so much easier and

intuitive and effortless, making choices, choosing directions.

And setting boundaries and all the elements,

it really effortless.

Is it

young paging to

be true here?

Is it really effortless?

Yeah,

it feels natural and that's what makes it effortless.

Of course there's work.

There's work.

Like the whole thing is, I mean, there's a lot of work that goes

into it, but effortless in the sense that we don't agonize over it.

We know it.

That's what we want, and we're decided,

yeah, we know.

It's challenging and it's hard, and setting boundaries can be really scary

and uncomfortable, but when it feels like this is the right thing, like there's no

alternative here, I'm doing what I feel is right, and and that gives you the inner

peaks, I think so that, yeah, that's what I mean when, when I'm saying effortless.

It's not that there's no work involved.

The reason I wanted you on this podcast was because I

feel like your story and the way you showed up is so, is so connected.

How you showed up in your business and promoting your book is so

connected to the topic of visibility.

On the first step is the inner step, the inner work that needs to happen.

When I work with my clients before they can embrace their visibility,

there's so much work to do, first for ourselves and inner work, and

then comes the outer work, right?

So.

When we read your book, it's deep.

It's a memoir, right?

It's not a self-help book.

It's a memoir where you share your deep, intimate story and your family

story and how you got to divorce and, and your kids' story, right?

So it's deeply intimate just that writing a book about that

is already courageous enough.

But on top of it, you went full in, in promoting this book

with huge PR where you've been.

All over the world in major media sharing your story and now you

have your family seeing that.

I would love if you could share with us how was that experience for

you to kind of get exposed and deal with that maybe fear of judgment.

How was it for you and those around you?

That's a good question.

The first answer I have to, that is my answers, but the first

one is like, I had no idea.

Maybe that's better.

I was, so, yeah, it was good.

'cause I don't know if I would've done it or it would've been harder.

No, I, I, I really felt I had to write this book and I wanted this book out.

I had no idea what the impact would be and what their reactions would

be when it comes to my family, especially, you know, my, my children.

I wrote a book that I was totally comfortable with my children reading.

That doesn't mean I sugarcoat anything, but it means I am, I am.

I'm, I'm expressing my truth in a way that it's not gonna be traumatizing to them.

So, so that was really important for me.

So there are some parts that are not in there, believe it or not.

There's a lot already.

Exactly.

No, but it, that was, that was really important to me.

Um, the second thing that, around the writing of the book is I

don't, um, this book is not about bashing anybody or, or you're on.

There's a lot

of

respect.

It's done with respect and it's, it's, it's not even, it's, it's the facts.

It's my, it's the way I experience, um, the facts and it's my

truth, not somebody else's.

And I let my readers make up their own minds.

Right.

That's, that's also respecting your reader as a writer.

You're not gonna tell your reader what to think.

They're gonna make up their own mind, so, so.

Also that was really important to me because I am talking about my divorce.

The, you know, the, the person is, is still out there, even if

their names have been changed.

You know, those who know, know.

And, um, you know, I wanted to be mindful of that.

Now, when it comes to the, to the broader public, I, it was interesting 'cause I

wasn't, I wasn't expecting the haters.

I don't know why, because I've never done this before.

Probably.

So when I had went public, there was one instance where I got a lot of hate.

Well, one of the articles, comments to an article

was written about you went viral.

Yeah.

If I remember well,

yeah.

Is

that correct?

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was, there was some hate that came up there and, and while momentarily for

like about an hour, I freaked out about it Then with the help of a very gracious

journalist who, who wrote the article.

Um, I realized I'm onto something.

If people are reacting that way, then it means there's something important

here that I, I need to stand behind.

I mean, I was gonna stand behind it anyway, but it, it really encouraged me.

You know, this is a message that needs to be out there, and it's

making people uncomfortable.

Great.

And it's not about me, it's about them mostly.

And, uh, and I'm just gonna keep telling my truth.

So, um, so I, I turned it around and.

And also because I was onto something, the article did so well.

Right?

So thank you haters, like very grateful for that.

And you know, for the revelation and for the, the impact it allows me to have,

uh, if I remember something like you were breaking

couples, breaking families, things along those lines, promoting

divorce, you

know, it was rough.

So it's good that you say now, thank you haters, because you see

that there's an advantage to it.

In terms of pr, but most importantly, if if there were no haters, then there

wouldn't be a topic of discussion, right?

There wouldn't be a truth to hold, and that's exactly the point that

you're making in the book, but you got the negative side of the haters,

although you see it now as a positive.

What other maybe positive surprises you got from putting yourself

out there that you didn't expect?

So.

The haters were just like a tiny, like literally this one article, of

course, it was a very public article.

It was like a big national newspaper in the uk, so it was

very high profile, but that was it.

Most all other reactions I had to the book were incredible and that, yeah,

I, I didn't expect, I mean, I expected people would like it, like my first

book and got, you know, get very good.

Comments and stuff, but, but people reach out, strangers reaching out and

sending me, you know, very intimate letters and notes about the impact it's

had on them, about how, you know, my story encouraged them to, you know, to

take steps, to look at their own stories, to set their own boundaries, how they

felt, seen, right, and understood.

That was, that was huge.

So it made the whole thing worth it.

It was, yeah, like the most, the most rewarding part of writing this book and

having it out there is, is to see that it is actually having the impact I dreamt

about, but I didn't dare believe in.

Right.

Like I, it was, it was the dream.

It's been amazing to watch this journey.

So.

As I said, one of the reasons I wanted you also on the podcast, because my

experience working with so, so many solopreneurs, once they do the inner

work of clarifying what's their message, what they wanna share out there,

what they wanna put out, there comes the moment when everything is ready.

And the last thing left is to actually do it and, and put it out

there and share it with the world.

And that's where the fears creep in sometimes the, the self doubt.

And the whole questioning about visibility and authenticity and all

of that, what would be your advice to those who have a strong message to share

and are hesitant to put it out there?

Either for privacy reasons or for the fear of not being authentic enough

and, and showing up authentically?

So there's, there's, there's a balance, right?

And the balance is different for every person.

The balance between how much you.

And, and how much you keep private, but also on the other side of the balance

is how much impact do you have, right?

Or how much impact could you have?

So it's, I think it's important to find what are we comfortable with.

I, I don't like oversharing, believe it or not, in my normal world.

I mean, this book was tough.

Totally.

I guess some people would call it oversharing.

No, I didn't think of it as I was writing it.

I didn't think it was, but you know what I mean?

Like we, we each have our own level of comfort.

But what I would say is, is question that, like, is this because you want to

protect people and protect your privacy?

Or is there also fear involved?

And if there is some fear, what's that about?

Ask the questions, you know, question it.

Just make sure that there's, there's, you know, you're doing this for

the right reasons and not because.

If I share this, I will be judged or you know, like we're making a lot

of assumptions that are untested.

Um, and I see it all the time with my clients.

And then when we challenge the assumptions and we have them, you know, take a small

step and say, okay, yeah, what I was worried about didn't actually happen.

So, so a lot of our fears are, are not based on reality.

Unfortunately.

A lot of them are based on, on conditioning and what we know.

It's, it's what is appropriate.

I mean, if I went with what's appropriate, I would've never written a book.

Right?

Because, oh my God, it's a, it's my private story and it's

out in the open in my culture.

You know, it's not a thing.

We don't do that in a lot of cultures.

I think you're supposed to keep, you know, your private

matters hidden and hushed and.

So, you know, like examine the fear.

That would be my one.

You know, find your balance, examine the fear.

And, and the last piece of advice, which is, is probably most important,

is figure out why you're doing this.

Again, I wrote the book for a reason, right?

I wanted to have a specific like contribution, a specific type of impact.

That was my why, and I was very clear about that.

That helped me.

Deal with the visibility or with the fears or, or with the judgment that came.

So connect to that.

And your why is, is not about you, right?

So shifting the focus from yourself to the people you want to serve, to

the contribution you want to make, the impact that makes visibility,

uh, much more, I'm not gonna say effortless, I'm gonna say, uh, less

threatening, more rewarding, easier.

So identifying where the fears comes and then honing into our

big why to have the courage to do it.

But I still feel like there is the whole part of how to face the backlashes, how

to face the criticism if there is one.

Right.

So.

What gave you the courage to actually not care?

Because at the end, that's what you help your clients as well

to at some point say, Hey, other people can think what they want.

You need to be courageous enough to not care about it.

Yeah.

After we go through the usual kind of, oh, I, it's all about

me and, and what did I do wrong?

And starting to look for the, the what, what we did wrong.

The next thing I thought about is, okay, do I need these people to validate me?

Are these my people?

Are these the people I wanna have an impact on?

No, they were all white males.

Well, I dunno if they were white, but they sounded they were all men, right?

They like, maybe there was one women out of like I 80.

How about your kids, for example, did you have

to have their approval before you could put that out there?

I didn't ask for approval.

I don't if that's a bad thing.

Uh, I wrote, like I said, I, I was very mindful and I trusted that,

you know, what I wrote would not hurt my kids and it didn't.

Right.

And I also allowed them, like, there was no pressure on them to read the book.

I don't think they've read the book.

Right.

And I'm not putting, and not because they don't love me or they

don't support me, like totally.

They, they totally do, but they will read it in their time.

Right.

Reading about your parents' divorce is not, is not an easy thing, or,

or there's, there's other parts in there that are not easy to read.

Not traumatizing, but not easy.

But didn't, no, I didn't ask permission because like I

said, I'm not bashing anyone.

This is my truth and I feel like I have the right to have that out there.

What I'm hearing is pure alignment with yourself,

and I think that's what's needed

here.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Pure alignment with your message and knowing that what

you're doing is not to hurt is actually quite the opposite to empower people

and hopefully even your kids will feel that empowerment for themselves

at some point if they want to.

Um, yeah, but that's, I found it very courageous and I know that, you know.

It was already courageous enough to write the book.

It was another thing to also put it out there and share it with the world, but on

top of it is that you have built a whole business around the concept of your book.

We worked together as well so that we can align your business strategy,

your positioning to the book.

Right.

And I was wondering if you could share your experience of what did

you feel you needed at that time to be able to build that strategy

of a business around that book?

I still, I still remember our first VIP day Right.

Or days

somewhat

where we, yeah, we, we brainstormed around the book.

It was, yeah.

It was so, so helpful because I have the story and the, the concept, but I needed

to translate it into my, my key message.

Like there has to be like one message.

It has to be powerful.

You know, what are the words I'm using?

How do I communicate the value of his work to my audience?

So it's, uh, it's, it's like you said, it's, it's doing the inner

work, but the inner work has to kind of translate to the outside as well.

So part of it, part of it only was, was, uh, working on the

communication, the translating.

Came when, you know, we came up with concepts like bold

decisions and break free.

I mean, this is, this is all our work together, right?

And I still use these words, these, they're still very much part of

my, my message part, part of it was that, but there was also like

the mindset part of, of putting myself out there and, and believing

in the value, um, that I'm adding.

You know, you, you were also like my champion in a way.

Not just like the marketing and the business coaching and all that,

but you're also championing me and encouraging me and there were a

lot of ups and downs at the time.

'cause I was going through a lot of challenges also health

wise and personal challenges.

So.

So there's also like staying committed and, and, and believing in, in what

I did and, and the value it's adding and, and just walking the talk, right?

Not, you know, I'm not just preaching on cage, but I'm, I'm living it.

And your support with that was, was huge.

So I think I see these two.

Aspects of it and okay, the third one, you know, accountability

is, is is always huge.

Right?

You know, like, you know, I could be thinking about this and strategizing for

a while, but if without the accountability it wouldn't be become reality.

It was not only, you were going through a lot of challenges, but

on top of it, you had kind of finished a book and you were working really hard

to find a editor, and I remember you were trying to do both the same time.

It was so impressive to see you commit.

To the whole process and see where you are today.

It's just, I just wanna take this moment to celebrate

everything you've achieved so far.

You've been amazing to watch.

And one of the things that maybe you can also share your

experience is all that hurdle.

That it is at the beginning.

It's not easy to come from that idea to actually put it out to the world

and my experience that very often, it takes six months to a year before

we can finally go from the concept, the strategy, the messaging, the

positioning to actually living what has been strategized and planned.

Any advice looking hindsight from your journey, from the moment you had

the strategy to the moment you put it out there and start sharing it?

What would you do differently?

What would you do again, the same way?

Hmm.

Very interesting advice would be, I feel like the time is needed.

Like maybe if I didn't have the health challenges, this would've

happened earlier, but I feel like, you know, it needed like the,

the, the message needed to mature.

Yeah.

It needed to mature.

I needed, I needed to be in the place where I really was embodying it.

So my advice would be like trust the process and be, be patient,

but still do the work and just like wait for things to happen.

Right.

Or for the right time.

Now we create right time.

Time is now.

The time is now.

Exactly.

The time is now.

And the now may like stretch a little bit.

Right, exactly.

Because it's a process.

I see it a lot with my, my, my group program participants now,

where they're like, we do a lot of work on like gaining awareness.

So there's like a lot of realizations and insights and a lot of them are

like, okay, but what do I do now?

What do I do with these insights?

Like, I need to do something.

And I'm like, yes, but it's a process and you know, we're gonna like take it

one step at a time and you will see you take a few steps and then all the others

are kind of starting to fall into place.

Be patient and let it sink in and let the like really, again, really embody

the insights and the realizations, and then you will know what's next.

But it's, in my experience at least, I, I mean, I see a lot of

people like going really fast.

Maybe it works for them, but for me, this is how it worked.

I had to really connect with a material, connect with a message, live it.

It allowed me to show up so much more authentically and and

with so much more conviction.

Yeah,

I think it's the conviction needed to mature.

And I found that you were very courageous to start

the marketing work while finishing the book and working on the book.

Would you still recommend that?

Mm-hmm.

Like hindsight, like truthfully, or do you think you just did it too

early or rushed it, or was it actually useful to do at the same time?

That was super useful.

I mean, look, the manuscript was written.

I was doing the, the editing and then looking for publisher and all that.

I think it was great because I started promoting the book before

the book was out, and that I would recommend to anyone who's, who's.

Building something new and promoting it is, is to warm up the audience.

I mean, you know, we work together, uh, on that, right?

Start talking about the concepts, get people interested, gauge

you know, which topics are, are resonating more than others.

I think it's invaluable.

So it was, it was exactly the right time to work on it and, and, you

know, do all the groundwork and, and start, start already being out.

That was another thing that came up in our work was the

whole hesitation of putting content out there, sharing on social media.

Look at you today.

You're like a social media machine going viral and having so much engagement

in every single one of your posts and like what, what has helped you go from

shying away, from posting regularly to, I remember how you even about

networking, even networking was a thing.

I don't like networking.

It's not authentic.

What?

You helped me so much for that.

I'm so happy to hear that.

What are the shifts that happened to you that allowed you to today?

Show up.

So brilliant.

Be visible.

Like visible is just a small world compared to, to how

visible you are right now.

So, and you are showing up regularly, almost every day on,

on LinkedIn and social media.

So what has allowed you to do that?

So I ask myself one question every day, and it

has to do with, with impact and contribution, my why and all that.

And I'm like, okay, what is my, what is my audience?

What is, what is this person?

'cause I try to think of one person, you know, what do they

need to hear from me today?

That's, that really helps me show up and share that and,

and see what happens, right?

But it's, it's really, I practice what I said earlier, right?

It's not about, oh my God, what are they gonna think?

That's what stopped me from, I don't know, like, for example, doing video.

I can never, I didn't do video.

It was like, oh my God, what are people gonna think?

Suddenly?

She's doing video and who does she think she is?

Oh, she sucks.

Whatever.

I was like, just go do it because.

'cause you're helping someone who is not gonna get that help is not

gonna get that encouragement or, you know, that sense of feeling seen

if you shut up or don't show up.

Wow.

So who am I?

Who am I holding back from?

By not showing up Is, is also a good question.

So yeah, that was the, the visibility part.

The networking part.

You really helped me because, um, I was like, okay, if this is not,

if this doesn't feel authentic, let me give it a shot and, and look

for the places where I actually find my people and find my tribes.

So, I mean, I don't know if you remember, but I challenged myself.

I mean, I'm gonna be doing this for a few months and see what happens.

And guess what?

I found those places, right?

And I created those places and, but it's shifting how you approach it.

And now I help other people with.

I love it.

It's unbelievable 'cause

yeah, it's such a big revelation.

What a shift.

Really impressive.

So you do work a lot with your clients.

So tell us how you help them now.

What, what do you do for your clients?

So most of my clients, or if not all of them, come to me

because they want to change their lives.

They wanna reinvent themselves.

Like I said, they use the words I wanna get out of the cage.

This is my cage.

I don't want it anymore.

I have a, a, like a signature methodology, a series of steps I take them through.

They're not linear.

We can go back and forth, uh, depending on, like if I'm doing private

work, we adapt it to their needs.

But, but there's certain kind of milestones that you go through

when you go through reinvention.

And one of them already I shared is like finding the essence, connecting

to your essential self as we call it.

And, and then from that place tackling all the other steps.

But it has to do with, you know, like, uh, alignment, aligning with your values,

your vision, your purpose, you know, what you're here on this earth to do.

It has to do with, um, you know, figuring, figuring out an action plan, dealing

with all the, the inner voices that like to hold us back when we start to take

action and we start to gain momentum.

So dealing with those.

So what this methodology of this program, whatever does, is it

has the practical part, like the action, the steps and all that.

But there's a lot of it around the mindset.

Uh, because being uncaged is not just like and reinventing yourself.

It's not just taking the steps.

It's, it's more like how do you walk the talk?

How do you embody it?

How do you, um.

You know, uh, feel grounded and yourself and validated from the inside, right?

Because that makes you immune to, to external validation or help

makes you immune to the setbacks.

You're not held back by all these things, but you learn to navigate them.

So I do that in private, but now I also have a new group program,

which I call the Uncaged Method Mastermind, and it's 12 weeks.

So we go through that process as a group and it is a whole other dynamic, uh,

but incredibly powerful and rewarding.

Yeah.

So these are the two ways, and of course I still write and post and try to show up.

You are more than trying.

You're showing

up every step.

I do my best.

Thank you so much for sharing that.

Actually, before we say goodbye, is there one more?

Anything you feel like we missed out from the conversation?

You wanna make sure to, to share?

Yeah.

What I wanted to say about the cages, because very often people will, not

often, but, but sometimes people will listen to all these concepts and be like,

no, I'm not, like, this doesn't apply to me because I'm leading my life and

I'm making choices and, and they're my choices and I'm aligned and all that.

Yes.

Cages can be obvious, but they can also be sneaky and they,

they can look like choices.

I recently had someone in my group say, well, I'm, you know, I'm a

people pleaser, but I choose that because I like to help people.

I, I'm, I'm a nice person and she's wonderful, but it's still a cage.

Even if we, we choose or we think we choose, right?

Because sometimes these choices, we made them so early in life that they feel like

they're ours, but they're not really ours.

So, so here, what I wanted say is like, just, just keep asking, like be alert.

What could be a cage?

I, I find them every day, right?

My miss on cage and I still find my own.

It can be.

Giving a speech somewhere.

And the, you know, because the organizer told me, oh, I have to know it by heart.

And I like, I very bad at learning things by heart and I

will torture myself for days.

And, and at the end someone else told me like, I was working with

someone, I'm like, why are you caging yourself with this thing?

Like, just find another way to do it.

Right.

So it, it can be little things that we don't think, but there are,

they are ways we limit ourselves.

So just be, be, be open-minded about it and, and look for them.

They're everywhere.

We all have our cages, for sure.

So now if we want to get free from our, to get uncage, what is the best way to

find you and reach out to you and to learn from your, your great insights?

Oh, my website, kahu.com.

Uh, where you have everything, the private coaching, the, the group program.

There's like a free quiz you can take and there'll be more.

I'm preparing a new one.

And, uh, and of course social media.

Please connect with me on LinkedIn, on Instagram.

Kaia, it's really is, it's my, just my name.

So if she even just Google me, you'll find it.

So my dear listeners, I'll put all the links you need to

find Katya and the show notes of this episode you just need to go to

the time is now biz slash three 19.

Thank you so much, Katya, for sharing your inspirational journey and uplifting.

I hope all of you're listening felt empowered to now show up, get

uncaged, and embrace your message so that you can be invisible.

And make an impact, right?

Go from invisible to in demand requires the courage to get uncaged from

everything that's holding us back.

And I love how your story, Katya, helped us be able to find that inspiration.

So thank you so much for your trust and for sharing your story with us here today.

Just one last thing before we say goodbye.

If you had to repeat the sentence, the time is now two, what would you say?

The time is now to lead an uncaged life.

Amen.

And thank you to all of you listening.

I can't wait to see you in the next episode, and stay tuned to turn your

challenges into great opportunities and the time is now to create more growth,

freedom, and impact with your business.